Glenn Close talks Alex Forrest and mental illness

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From the Huffington Post (SPOILERS ALERT):

Alex Forrest is considered by most people to be evil incarnate. People still come up to me saying how much she terrified them. Yet in my research into her behavior, I only ended up empathizing with her. She was a human being in great psychological pain who definitely needed meds. I consulted with several psychiatrists to better understand the "whys" of what she did and learned that she was far more dangerous to herself than to others.

The original ending of Fatal Attraction actually had Alex commit suicide. But that didn't "test" well. Alex had terrified the audiences and they wanted her punished for it. A tortured and self-destructive Alex was too upsetting. She had to be blown away.

So, we went back and shot the now famous bathroom scene. A knife was put into Alex's hand, making her a dangerous psychopath. When the wife shot her in self-defense, the audience was given catharsis through bloodshed -- Alex's blood. And everyone felt safe again.

The ending worked. It was thrilling and the movie was a big hit. But it sent a misleading message about the reality of mental illness.

While I agree with Ms. Close that mental illness needs to be treated with a lot less stigma and disdain than it currently is often confronted with, one has to be careful talking about mental illness so as not to take on a victim mentality or assign victimhood to the inflicted. Someone with a victim mentality tends to assign faults to the world and looks elsewhere for the locus of control and responsibility. Victimhood infantilizes people in many cases, rendering them helpless in the face of threats or triggers.

As a proponent of strength-based therapy, I am much more inclined to seek people's existing strengths and defense, to facilitate their mastering of their world, or at the very least, their functioning in that world. Many times, it requires advocacy on their behalf, but never with the assumption that they're too helpless to help themselves. For certain, mental illness is a condition of being that needs to be acknowledged and cared for. However, in many cases (there's a huge range of function in the mental illness spectrum), it is neither a pass nor a badge for one to wave personal effects. If talking about the sufferings of mental illness is all one does, it amounts to no more than the absolution of personal efficacy and propagation of helplessness, which in turn may negate any personal strengths and resiliency people have already at their disposal. I am weary of a society being cushioned and catered at every turn, one in which 'dust yourself up and try again' is mere wishful thinking. Triggers are used as ways to avoid adapting to and mastering their own environment. There's nothing more defeating than a bunch of flailing individuals waiting to be baby-fed.

Most people don't suffer at every turn of misfortune, even when the conditions are ripe for triggers. It should not be assumed that those with a mental illness do not have any ounce of resiliency most people possess. There's something to be said for self-fulfilling prophecy, too - expect people to be able to resource themselves for the better, and they may just do that. I'm not saying we should just let people sink or swim; we are dependent on each other for survival, and those with mental illness need proper care and respect. It's just that victimhood is no help at all.

These are just a few words of caution though, not a slap back to Ms. Close's well-intentioned message, which everyone should take heed to. Clearly, she is just as concerned with how we talk about mental illness as she is with what we talk about. The more we talk, the more we understand the conditions we deal with and hopefully the more creative we get with our approaches to treating it.

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4 Response to Glenn Close talks Alex Forrest and mental illness

August 20, 2011 at 3:44 PM

You could have summed this up by saying you don't feel sympathy for people with mental illness because that is what you're wanting to say

October 13, 2011 at 9:40 AM

I don't know what you mean about being a "proponent of strength-based therapy," but I assume that you mean therapy that empowers the mentally ill rather than infantilizes them. While I generally agree, as you yourself noted, there is a wide spectrum of mental illness, and I'm not sure how you would go about "empowering" a schizophrenic, for example. (I am assuming, having read a sample of your postings, that you are a hobbyist in this area, as opposed to a licensed mental health care provider.)

I think trying to make your point by using Glenn Close's interview on Alex Forrest as a foil was not only gauche, but it also wasn't an on-point lead-in. Close wasn't saying that Alex was a victim; she said that Alex was mentally ill and needed to be on meds. She also never said that Alex wasn't responsible for what she did. Her point was that the audience didn't like the suicide ending because we like our villains uni-dimensional, and suicide, which suggests misery, internal conflict, and maybe even remorse, would have made it harder to write her off as "just a crazy bitch."

October 14, 2011 at 4:14 AM

Anonymous 1: That's not my point at all. I was writing about "what else beside sufferings?" I'm for learning what the mental illness is about, how people function with them, how they thrive on their creativity, how they gain some control over their conditions in certain cases, and not just assume nobody can help one defined course set out for him by the illness (victim of the illness).

Anonymous 2: Your assumption about strength-based therapy was correct. Alex wasn't a schizophrenic. She's got borderline personality disorder, it seems. I wasn't pushing for no meds; I was writing a cautionary post on the use of mental illness as a badge that inadvertently and automatically turns people into helpless victims of no personal agency. Just because you've got BPD doesn't mean you're gonna go and try to kill an attachment figure. It's not a one-to-one relationship. But I think you got that part.

Your second paragraph: point taken. The post was more like a supplemental point rather than a counter argument. I wasn't clear on that.

August 23, 2019 at 8:27 PM

If you ask me I think that Alex Forrest was a wounded woman with borderline personality disorder and there is that bit with Dan and when she talks about the Opera Madame Butterfly and she has the connection with Dan she thinks about her father Stanley Forrest who died of a heart attack at the age of 7 and she talks to Dan about how her father was alive and well and living in AZ which means she is delusional and she kidnaps the daughter Ellen taking her to amusement park, terrorizes Beth in the bathroom and she needed to die and be killed she was a tortured lost soul and Dan was right she was lonely and very sad. But it was his fault too he should have never gotten into a realtionship with her in the first place. Alex was crazy and then she tries to kill him there were two different endings to Fatal Attraction she killed herself because she lost and then she gets shot. I would love to see Fatal Attraction from Alexs POV and they did a play called Fatal Attraction in London England and Kirstin Davis from Sex In The City plays Beth. I would like to see it. This was a good movie and it scared alot of men but this was back in 1987 and now its 2019 and people still have affairs and sleep around. This movie didn't do much at all.


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